used violence. horrifying movie. >> bob: there is a lot more violence the kids see on television and gangster rap. you can't blame the movies. exposure is high. >> eric: if you can't blame them -- i'm with you. blaming a movie or video game is the same as a gun. >> people kill people. guns kill people. i know you heard that. but how is it not doing the same thing saying well, you know, it's not the movies but it's the guns. >> i don't think the kid is throwing dvds at them. >> eric: what does it have to do with it? the person pulling the trigger is killing people. not gun nor the movie he watched before he did it. >> which is why i think that president obama asked biden to look at this in totality, rather than just on swish thing. how will you in the -- in the future, how do you help a child separate fiction from reality? where does the line cross? >> kimberly: there is debate about it. tab basic cartoons they enjoy, it's violence. scaling effect. what you think your child can handle. in general, it